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Hi L.P. first, this is an excellent post, thank you for it, and it raises a lot of very interesting points. What stood out to me in particular is your use of Nietzsche, your identification of societal values with egalitarianism and universalism, your exploration of how people grow and change over time, and how each of us have different strengths, weaknesses and outlooks that contributes to our own unique destinies. I've going to respond at length, apologies in advance.

1. I believe Nietzsche is quite important and that he was the last philosopher. This is because he was the first to correctly identify the prior transvaluation of values that had occurred under Christianity from paganism; only after another societal transvaluation of values occurs will important philosophy restart, based upon whatever the new societal values are.

2. You correctly identified society's core values as egalitarianism and universalism. I like atheist Tom Holland's quote on this in his book Dominion: "The more years I spent immersed in the study of classical antiquity, so the more alien I increasingly found it. The values of Leonidas, whose people had practiced a particularly murderous form of eugenics and trained their young to kill uppity Untermenschen by night, were nothing that I recognized as my own; nor were those of Caesar, who was reported to have killed a million Gauls, and enslaved a million more. It was not just the extremes of callousness that unsettled me, but the complete lack of any sense that the poor or the weak might have the slightest intrinsic value. Why did I find this disturbing? Because, in my morals and ethics, I was not a Spartan or a Roman at all. That my belief in God had faded over the course of my teenage years did not mean that I had ceased to be Christian. For a millennium and more, the civilization into which I had been born was Christendom. Assumptions that I had grown up with - about how a society should properly be organized, and the principles that it should uphold - were not bred of classical antiquity, still less of ‘human nature’, but very distinctively of that civilization’s Christian past. So profound has been the impact of Christianity on the development of Western civilization that it has come to be hidden from view. It is the incomplete revolutions which are remembered; the fate of those whose triumph is to be taken for granted.”

3. The core problem with modern society, in my opinion, is that we have gone full-boar toward Christian inspired egalitarianism or Nietzsche's "priestly" energies. Historically Catholicism provided rigid hierarchical guardrails against the word extremities of this, which were then weakened by (1) the reintroduction of Aristotle's works by the Muslims and (2) the invention of the printing press, which eviscerated the Church's authority and led directly to Protestantism. This then led, via Unitarianism, to drop the outright belief in God but retain the underlying egalitarian/universalist belief concepts, which then took over the universities and propagated worldwide, an argument originally pushed by Moldbug here: https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/06/ultracalvinist-hypothesis-in/

Anyway, my core point is that I think there needs to be some sort of transvaluation of values that results back into a priestly/warrior energy balance (I don't advocate for a full-on Roman-tier all-warrior energy). The ideals of inequality and master morality should be appreciated for its positive values, such as its emphasis on greatness, strength, directness, honesty, nobility, and for its benefits of creating stability and accountability, while balanced with a priestly degree of equality, dynamism and other-worldliness. Whether such a balance comes from a new secular movement, a new religion (as the pro-Chinese blogger Spandrell argues), or a reinvigoration of hierarchical Catholicism, I don't know.

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🗨 what C. S. Lewis in his Abolition of Man would call “the Tao”: i.e., “the doctrine of objective value, the belief that certain attitudes are really true, and others really false, to the kind of thing the universe is and the kind of things we are.”

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