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John Carter's avatar

The Protestant Reformation is an interesting case in point. Quakers, shakers, etc. were all using shamanic techniques - there is some of this still going on today, snake-handling and speaking in tongues and such - to reach altered states of consciousness. Further to the anthropological point, such varieties of protestantism were, and still are, low status peasant religions. Further to the liminal chaos point, the Reformation unleashed vast bloodshed across Europe. It was Rolo who first brought this dynamic to my attention.

Once the energies are allowed in, they cannot be controlled - but, keeping them out deprives the social order of both the high as well as the low, making it rigid and closed. Surely there is some balance that can be struck?

Thinking back to the status issue, is it really true that the development is monotonically towards spiritualism being low status? Or is this an Abrahamic pathology? In the Hellenic world, the mysteries were very high status, as was the Oracle at Delphi.

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sonya's avatar

Oh I really like your take on what is happening and take great comfort in your words that there are good powers at play also and it’s not all blackness and evil. I just saw a brand new statue erected in Denmark in front of former Women museum now renamed Gender museum of a naked man with all his “tackle” on display with breasts holding a nursing baby in his arms🤮. There are so many things wrong with this picture of this newly erected male statue with breasts portraying him nursing a baby, I find it quite disturbing to my “normal” sensibilities so your words bring much comfort Luc and I just happened to be reading them when my husband came across this picture and article so maybe i was meant to be given some comfort to my feelings of revulsion and despair so thank you!

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